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Frank
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11-Jun-2020(#1)
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Let's discuss Sony's latest console, the PlayStation 5!


Shane12m
Triple Gold Good Trader
15-Feb(#2)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> Kommie wrote:
>
> The fudge is he talking about lol. I read the quote twice and I’m still confused.
>
>
>

Can’t stand the dude. What a dumb statement
PizzaTheHutt
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16-Feb(#3)
Alan Wake 2 has sold 1.3 million copies, making it the fastest selling Remedy game of all time. I guess going digital only for a full priced game didn't hurt them at all.

Feeb
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16-Feb(#4)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> Alan Wake 2 has sold 1.3 million copies, making it the fastest selling Remedy game
> of all time. I guess going digital only for a full priced game didn't hurt them at
> all.
>
>

I’ve almost bought it a few times. I feel like every time I visit any digital storefront it’s in my face. I guess the aggressive advertising is working.
Heavyd814life
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16-Feb(#5)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> Alan Wake 2 has sold 1.3 million copies, making it the fastest selling Remedy game
> of all time. I guess going digital only for a full priced game didn't hurt them at
> all.
>
>

I saw this on Gematsu earlier. Smoke and mirrors, imo. 1.3 million copies when your development + marketing costs are a reported $70 million isn't exactly great if you do the math. If you look beneath the surface and beyond whatever headline they try to push, I think you see a much clearer picture.

There's this quote from the press release:

"the game has already recouped a significant part of the development and marketing expenses."

So the game still hasn't turned a profit. And Remedy Entertainment's stock is down 30% in the last month which is a HUGE drop so obviously investors aren't happy with the company's outlook. You take Epic's money, you skip over a physical release and you're still in the red.

I don't see how this is positive news. It scares me that a game that had all this buzz and hype is super, super niche. For reference, Granblue Fantasy Relink, a super niche JRPG which came out last week, has already sold 1 million copies. Maybe just maybe limiting the number of people who are able to buy your game that cost a crapton to make isn't' a good idea.

justin_credible
Gold Good Trader
16-Feb(#6)
Who's the say it wouldn't be at 2 million or 2.5 million with physical? I personal know some people that won't buy a digital only game. I prefer physical myself but I did buy it.
TalonJedi87
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16-Feb(#7)
Same here. I usually buy only physical copies unless forced, like with Alan Wake 2, to go digital l, and I bought it too and loved it. Still wish they gave us a physical option though. Not a fan of other all digital only upcoming big release games like Hellblade 2, but the first one I think was digital only also with a only I think European copies on physical, so that’s not too much of a surprise. But yeah, I think if Alan Wake 2 went hybrid physical and digital it would have likely doubled its sales by now.
Shane12m
Triple Gold Good Trader
* 16-Feb(#8)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> PizzaTheHutt wrote:
>> Alan Wake 2 has sold 1.3 million copies, making it the fastest selling Remedy
> game
>> of all time. I guess going digital only for a full priced game didn't hurt them
> at
>> all.
>>
>>
>
> I saw this on Gematsu earlier. Smoke and mirrors, imo. 1.3 million copies when your
> development + marketing costs are a reported $70 million isn't exactly great if you
> do the math. If you look beneath the surface and beyond whatever headline they try
> to push, I think you see a much clearer picture.
>
> There's this quote from the press release:
>
> "the game has already recouped a significant part of the development and marketing
> expenses."
>
> So the game still hasn't turned a profit. And Remedy Entertainment's stock is down
> 30% in the last month which is a HUGE drop so obviously investors aren't happy with
> the company's outlook. You take Epic's money, you skip over a physical release and
> you're still in the red.
>
> I don't see how this is positive news. It scares me that a game that had all this
> buzz and hype is super, super niche. For reference, Granblue Fantasy Relink, a super
> niche JRPG which came out last week, has already sold 1 million copies. Maybe just
> maybe limiting the number of people who are able to buy your game that cost a crapton
> to make isn't' a good idea.
>
>

Yup and making it so you can’t buy it on steam had to hurt sales significantly as well
ErickRPG
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16-Feb(#9)
Since I am a dollar sign I speak with my money. It is the only power I have. When the rumor came out their next XSX version will be discless (this one is much more solid and likely to happen) I ditched Xbox. I didn't buy baldur's gate 3 when it was digital only and now I have a physical collectors edition on the way for PS5. I won't buy alan wake 3 either. They are definitely missing out on a lot of physical sales, and it's a choice they made. My choice is to not buy it.

justin_credible
Gold Good Trader
17-Feb(#10)
ErickRPG wrote:
> Since I am a dollar sign I speak with my money. It is the only power I have. When
> the rumor came out their next XSX version will be discless (this one is much more
> solid and likely to happen) I ditched Xbox. I didn't buy baldur's gate 3 when it
> was digital only and now I have a physical collectors edition on the way for PS5.
> I won't buy alan wake 3 either. They are definitely missing out on a lot of physical
> sales, and it's a choice they made. My choice is to not buy it.
>
>

Alan Wake 2 you mean right? Unless 3 is on the way and I was unaware.
Archer
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18-Feb(#11)
I've tried to play the Outcast remake demo twice, and both times it crashes within 60 seconds of starting one of the three modes. Which you can only play each mode twice, for a maximum of 20 minutes. And then the demo is worthless as you can't play anymore. And the one mode I can not try again now because it counted both 1 minute sessions before crashing as me completing it. What a joke.
justin_credible
Gold Good Trader
19-Feb(#12)
I've played 48 hours of Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth. I'm 99% sure my two favorite games of this year are going to be out by the end of this month, this and Final Fantasy Rebirth.
TalonJedi87
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* 20-Feb(#14)
I ain’t buying a pro unless it lets me run all games in 4k 60fps without these different modes. That’s the only way I’ll consider a pro model cause right now my PS5 is just fine for me minus the slight back and forth with graphics options but it’s a minor inconvenience at best.
Kommie
250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
20-Feb(#15)
issue of performance is mostly a game by game basis and the developer. Like, I'm sure some people will thing the Switch 2 will play the new Zelda games out of the box at 60 FPS but it doesn't work like that unless they update the games as they were made targeting 30 FPS. And knowing Nintendo you'll be paying full price all over again for ports.
TalonJedi87
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
20-Feb(#16)
The big N is kinda evil like that so I wouldn’t put it past them.
PizzaTheHutt
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20-Feb(#17)
Personally I don't see a need for upgrading to a Pro model just like I didn't bother with PS4 Pro. Even on the base model PS4 late in the system's life I was still impressed with what that system was capable of graphically, Horizon: Zero Dawn and the Tomb Raider reboot trilogy especially, and I played them a few years after they each had released.

MrBean
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20-Feb(#18)
Seeing the FF7 Rebirth Demo suffer on PS5, was a bit alarming. Hopefully will be better come release, but wouldn't count on it. Games are kind of already bottlenecked on current hardware, it's gonna get worse.

Still, unless there's a compelling need/reason, I agree, will wait for PS6.

I only picked up the PS4 Pro because of the Million Edition was just too damn cool. Really wish we'd go back to Translucent designs!
longhornsk57
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
20-Feb(#19)
Ya I'm thinking about playing the trilogy on my laptop or on PS6 instead of having any performance issues.
Feeb
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* 20-Feb(#20)
RDR 2 pretty much melted my base ps4 so I upgraded at that point. I’m not seeing anything push ps5 so hard so far.
Finn
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21-Feb(#21)
I will probably end up with a pro.
Archer
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* 21-Feb(#22)
SMT:V Vengeance was just announced for all platforms. Which is SMT:V with its new DLC. It was originally just a switch title. June 21st this year.

"Vengeance adds a second route to the game, the first route is the original game. The second route starts off similar to the first route but there are significant changes in the middle/late game and there's a different ending. Both routes come with Vengeance, and are roughly 80+ hours apiece."

So its not actually DLC, its a remake of the story pretty much. Which means they actually added story this time.
Feeb
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* 21-Feb(#23)
Archer wrote:
> SMT:V Vengeance was just announced for all platforms. Which is SMT:V with its new
> DLC. It was originally just a switch title. June 21st this year.

Nice. I stopped playing it shortly after launch but would definitely revisit on a beefier box.
Archer
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21-Feb(#24)
Feeb wrote:
> Archer wrote:
>> SMT:V Vengeance was just announced for all platforms. Which is SMT:V with its
> new
>> DLC. It was originally just a switch title. June 21st this year.
>
> Nice. I stopped playing it shortly after launch but would definitely revisit on a
> beefier box.

Yeah, it ran like crap on the switch. I suffered through it. But don't remember anything about it really. The story was pretty much non existent. It was such an odd game. I'm looking forward to seeing what they added for the story.
justin_credible
Gold Good Trader
21-Feb(#25)
I'm on Chapter 12 of 14 on Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth. Close to 60 hours in.

Haven't seen anyone else mentioned they're playing through it except one person and nothing listed in Last Game You Beat? Everyone should be playing this.
Heavyd814life
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21-Feb(#26)
justin_credible wrote:
> I'm on Chapter 12 of 14 on Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth. Close to 60 hours in.
>
> Haven't seen anyone else mentioned they're playing through it except one person and
> nothing listed in Last Game You Beat? Everyone should be playing this.

It's on my hit list along with Tekken 8 and Persona 3. I've been juggling Helldivers 2 (Soo good!) and Granblue Fantasy Relink (10 hours in. It's solid). And then Rebirth drops in a week. It has been an insane start to the year!

Groo
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22-Feb(#27)
I upgraded to the PS4 Pro when gamestop had a great bonus trade in and the Star Wars Pro was on sale. I got rid of the game it came with but that was a slick looking PS4 Pro (I still have the controller) everything played better, and it was worth it. As of right now I will say I will not upgrade, but will have to see what the Pro has going for it.
Finn
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22-Feb(#28)
The reason I am doing it is I don't have proper gaming PC right at the moment... I will sell my PS5 and gladly get a upgraded PS5. When it comes time for a PS6, I will jut take the pro and move it up stairs. I have actuallly been pretty good this gen. I am still rocking my launch PS5... last gen when a really good revision came out I would get it, when the Slim came out... got it... same with the Pro. Not this gen, that's why I will gladly get a pro.
longhornsk57
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
22-Feb(#29)
I would definitely upgrade, especially if it means 4K:60 and not having to choose between 4k:30 and 1080p:60 - imagine playing Spiderman in fidelity with the performance FPS etc.

PS5 is good hardware but it still can't push enough fps in fidelity modes and especially if there's ray tracing. Gimme that Pro or 6 any day I'd upgrade day 1.
MrBean
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28-Feb(#30)
PlayStation is laying off 900 staff across Naughty Dog, Insomniac and other studios

This part was the worst "According to Bloomberg, a live-service Twisted Metal game that was in early development at Firesprite is among the canceled projects."

https://www.engadget.com/playstation-is-laying-off...
theJaw
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28-Feb(#31)
It’s almost like these giant corporations should stop buying up smaller developers, but who am I to say ya know?
Oduomega
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28-Feb(#32)
theJaw wrote:
> It’s almost like these giant corporations should stop buying up smaller developers,
> but who am I to say ya know?
All they care about is "the line goes up", anything "quality" that's not 100% guarenteed to make them money (nothing is 100%...) gets tossed. Shaving pounds to save pennies is what they're doing, these MBA dolts don't know what the market wants, and wouldn't be able to find out with a map and a native guide, lol.
ErickRPG
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28-Feb(#33)
meanwhile we still have squareenix, capcom, sega, nintendo, atlus and co. pumping out good games, thank god.

TalonJedi87
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28-Feb(#34)
Another future live service game got canceled? Say it ain’t so! I don’t know how I’ll make it thru the night now.
Finn
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28-Feb(#35)
The thing is with things the way they are right now smaller dev's would vanish. This has nothing to do with Big companies buying up little ones. This IMO has everything to do with the Tech bubble we were hearing about. With the pandemic there was a massive run on tech from working at home or trying to kill time! The Videogame industry saw some pretty big growth in that time and the industry when on a pretty big hiring spree what we are seeing now is things adjusting to reflect current market trends. There is a lot of over reacting right now. I am however glad Sony is stepping back from this Live service kick. I don't mind having one or two games in Sony's stables that are live service as it keeps a steady flow cash to help fund games I enjoy BUT Sony I think was trying WAY to hard.
benstylus
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28-Feb(#36)
TalonJedi87 wrote:
> Another future live service game got canceled? Say it ain’t so! I don’t know
> how I’ll make it thru the night now.

To be fair, I don't see any way a Twisted Metal game could succeed in today's market if it weren't heavily live service focused.

Kommie
250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
28-Feb(#37)
It could be like fighting games where tons of content is locked behind DLC and skins.
MrBean
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28-Feb(#38)
I don't care what it is or if there's micro transactions, I just want a new Twisted Metal. Always loved those games.

Hell, just give us a remastered Twisted Metal Black!
PizzaTheHutt
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28-Feb(#39)
MrBean wrote:
> Hell, just give us a remastered Twisted Metal Black!


They've done that. Twice. It's still playable on PS4, just without online play.
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP9000...
bill
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28-Feb(#40)
Sony has no competition now, so might as well fire people and stop trying.
TalonJedi87
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28-Feb(#41)
All live service games should be nuked. Sorry not sorry.

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