Anxiouz
20-Jun-2023(#1)
I was wondering why Xbox chatter got quiet but I see the old thread got closed (due to lack of activity I presume?). Spinning this back up.
I'm excited about some of the Xbox stuff coming later this year (can't wait for Forza to finally get here!) but for my gaming tastes GP has been pretty terrible most of this year. My son is getting a lot of mileage out of it but he and his friends jump games a lot so it works out great and makes for a nice deal.
Anxiouz
* 26-Jan(#46)Feeb wrote:> I’m not sure why MS is hellbent on dying on this gamepass hill.
Money. A consistent revenue stream and making like $200M+ each month off it is nothing to sneeze at. It takes away the pressure of having a AAA title flop. Over 2 billion dollars a year is one hell of an incentive to carry on down this path.
I think GP is a great value, especially compared to PS+. PS+ mostly just gets things that GP already had a year prior.
Slickriven
26-Jan(#49)Not trying to bang on Sony for their approach with PS+ but I feel like I read the head of Sony just recently said that he didn't think GP made any sense because people only play one game at a time.
Maybe I didn't catch that correctly, but if so, I have no clue where they got that from. Maybe before GP I was more like that, but in the past 2 weeks or so I've played at least 7 different games on my XSX alone, plus likely 4 more on my PC.
For me with GP, I did the $1 upgrade initially and had right around 2.5 years when I did, then I got a full 37 months and did it again, only for the full 1 month price of $15 then. When that runs out in about 13 months I don't think I'll renew. I've accumulated so many games on that system and others that don't get as much attention, so I'm good with letting the sub lapse and maybe I'd go back to the old Live which is of course now GP-core or whatever - but maybe not, I had Live to play with my college buddy who lives far away, but he's a dad and doesn't play much period and even less so co-op.
I also know other people who didn't game a lot on their X1 but opted to try GP for the $1 price and then didn't pay attention and kept getting charged the $15/month and played virtually zero games via it before I believe eventually waking up to the fact and canceling. I'm sure like with most subs, M$ hopes folks do that and pay for it whilst hardly playing games. I presume that most GP contracts have an 'acquire' component to get games and then a 'use based' fee - meaning that if Ubisoft opts to put AC Syndicate on there, M$ pays them a flat fee and then tracks how much Syndicate gets played and then pays Ubi for time usage and/or number of players whom actually played more than like 30 mins. Clearly that's my assumption, but that model would mean that 1000s of active subs paying $15+/month and playing almost nothing period or think of those CoD only type of players, results in a good bit on income vs. pay outs. Not that GP doesn't seek to promote it's breadth of games, it does, but I'd bet they love folks who really only play 1 or a few games a bunch, vs. folks who play lots and lots of different games.
Groo
27-Jan(#54)MrBean wrote:> See, this just annoys me.
>
> Wanted to grab Lego Star Wars for my kid on Xbox, digitally. $60! Yet, it's $15 physically,
> insane.
standard $18 and deluxe $21 on eshop
TalonJedi87
* 5-Feb(#68)benstylus wrote:> Because when they own the biggest brands I'm gaming, they can sort of dictate the
> direction of the industry.
>
> They are pushing hard for the all digital, zero consumer ownership future where every
> gamer is a continuous revenue stream. Being far and away the largest player in the
> industry allows them to dramatically increase the pace towards that goal.
>
> For every one of us old guard who says we won't take part of that there are plenty
> of younger gamers who will.
>
>
Makes sense. I’m an old core gamer myself and prefer disc vs digital and I can already see them dissolving all future games by disc and pivoting to the all digital future. They’re already starting with Hellblade II this year being all digital I believe. I guess limited run games is going to be the place to go for the old disc folks like myself’s future. Blah.
benstylus
5-Feb(#69)TalonJedi87 wrote: > Makes sense. I’m an old core gamer myself and prefer disc vs digital and I can
> already see them dissolving all future games by disc and pivoting to the all digital
> future. They’re already starting with Hellblade II this year being all digital
> I believe. I guess limited run games is going to be the place to go for the old disc
> folks like myself’s future. Blah.
Or just play the old games til they don't play no more.
Dusk
5-Feb(#71)I wonder if they will do a limited gamepass of sorts for certain platforms where it will be cheaper but less stuff. Maybe only certain exclusives and what not.
Groo
6-Feb(#72)If they have trouble releasing Games, how are they going to do only releasing games? What will Sony Fan Boys do when there is no Xbox, will they talk about the good ole days of hat'in? Will they buy and play MS games or will they still hate on them?
Finn
7-Feb(#73)Dusk wrote:> I wonder if they will do a limited gamepass of sorts for certain platforms where
> it will be cheaper but less stuff. Maybe only certain exclusives and what not.
I think that is the only way Sony or Nintendo OK it. 1st party MS games and nothing that could cut take away from there bottom line. I mean if game "A" comes out on GP on a PlayStation or Nintendo then they loose out on a potential sale. This could be a good thing for MS as it would allow them to cut back on some overhead ie. money tossed at putting 3rd party on GP. At very least 3rd party games need at least a year before they are eligible for GP so not to cut into sales on other consoles. This is honestly why I think Sony's approach is far more sustainable. With all the IP and studios that MS has at there finger tips it should not be a problem pumping out games on a decent schedule right? That's why they did this... that's what they told us.
benstylus
* 8-Feb(#76)benstylus wrote:> To be fair, layoffs are expected after a big merger, as there would probably be quite
> a bit of duplication of staff to be integratred.
>
> The Riot Games layoffs are the bigger story IMO.
>
>
> League of Legends alone brings in nearly 2 billion dollars a year. Even with that
> Riot isn't immune
So as more info comes out about the Xbox layoffs, it's clear that it's a whole lot more than just redundant positions being eliminated after eating Activision.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/tech/article/tech-layo...RIP Toys for Bob
Finn
8-Feb(#80)Apparently there is a bunch of unrest among dev's. They are not liking the new compensation rules since MS is moving away from physical sales and never post sales it's not sitting well with a lot. I can see MS bleeding a lot of the talent they acquired as things shake out.
What gets me though is MS apparently is pushing forward with there next gen console. What is the point? Honestly, I see absolutely no point in owning an Xbox when they go multiplatform. Not only that, look at 3rd party support... Will they want to support a platform with so many question marks around it? The optics are pretty bad when you have MS choosing not to full it's full weight behind a console they made. They have been so wishy washy about there hardware lately.
It also looks like they are renaming Xbox Game Pass to Microsoft Game Pass.
https://media.gamestop.com/i/gamestop/MSFTXBDemoDa...The Xbox branding is there, but it's interesting they name chosen. Instead of Xbox Gamepass it's Microsoft Gamepass.