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SweetyPie
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| | #1 posted July 8, 2005 at 6:16am (EDT) |
As it stands, I'm currently a student at the University of Hawaii heading towards a bachelors in business management. I'm working full time for the summer and was just proposed a job working for a private airlines company back on my old island home on Kauai, HI.
The job pays $22/hour, with a full time scheduling of 40 hour weeks. However, I'd have to abandon whatever education I've acquired so far but I can probably pick up on it as long as the credits I earned don't expire or anything. The job requires CDL licensing which the company will train me for and for the job itself, it's basically just to refuel the jets and to do all the paperwork in that area of the jobsite.
I told myself that I would leave Kauai and not go back until I was completely through school but since this came up, I don't know what to do. It's really promising so I'm tempted. Grrrrrwar!
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | Kanes_Son
| | #2 posted July 8, 2005 at 6:46am (EDT) |
stay in school, and say no to drugs
Graham cared. | tazfreeatlast
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| #3 posted July 8, 2005 at 6:46am (EDT)
edited July 8, 2005 at 6:47am (EDT) |
My opinion?
If you can afford to do so, finish college.
I dropped out of college in 1994, while I was in the Air Force, because I had a newborn in the house & was working 72-84 hours a week (12 hour shifts 6-7 days a week). My reasoning was decent at the time. My grades were dropping & I was missing classes so I could sleep. The plan was for me to start back the following semester. Life happened & here it is, 11 years later & I only have an associates degree & an armfull of certifications. Even though I have all of that & 13 years of "on-the-job" experience, a lot of employers want to see a bachelor's degree or higher. My credits have expired, so now I'll have to take some of the classes over again.
You would be suprised at how many of my co-workers have similar stories. Lots of experience, lots of certs, but only an associate's degree or no college at all because they put it off.
On the other side of the coin... I also work with guys that have bachelor's degrees (& higher) in some other field, but ended up taking this job because it's a well known & established company & the job market was bad for their expertise. There's even a guy that sits about 5 rows down from me that has a phd in psycology & is a licensed psycologist/psychiatrist (which ever one can write perscriptions), but was burned out & needed to do something else for a while.
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| | #4 posted July 8, 2005 at 8:08am (EDT) |
I appreciate the fact that you actually sat and took the time to write that, David. I know where you're coming from about not having a bachelor's degree because I've seen it happen first-hand to others where they've tried to get jobs that required a degree and were turned down from their lack of one. The thing is -- I've got certain key things going on in my life that really have me leaning towards the job offer, mainly because it would leave me financially stable for the time being.
There's a lot of good commercial driving jobs out there where no college degree is necessary. There's also jobs like being a paramedic or firefighter which were two others I was interested in, jobs that only require certification like you stated along with experience. I guess it all depends on what you're looking for.
I posted this in hopes that maybe, if I'm blindly following ignorance toward this job offer, I'll be swayed by a lot of objectionable reasoning from the community here. It seems like it'd be promising from the standpoint I'm at now but this could turn into one of those "it seemed like a good idea at the time" moments so I'm skeptical.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | 311
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| | #5 posted July 8, 2005 at 8:13am (EDT) |
I'm so sick of school right now and not exacxtly sure of what to do. If I was offered a job at 22 an hour, and could go back at a later time, I would take a year or two off.
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| | #6 posted July 8, 2005 at 8:15am (EDT) |
In your situation, I would take it for now. I just wouldn't be set on taking the job for the long term.
Just ignore him, his head will deflate then
| tazfreeatlast
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| | #7 posted July 8, 2005 at 8:35am (EDT) |
One other thing to think on when you get the opinion of others.
The age of those posting.
The average opinion of someone in their late teens & early twenties will be to go for the fastest route to money. However, Kanes_Son surprised me with his answer.
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| | #8 posted July 8, 2005 at 8:40am (EDT) |
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize that his opinion doesn't surprise me. We spent quite a few hours in chat a few years ago & every now & then he lets it slip that he can be responsible, mature & think about the long term effects of making a decision if the situation calls for it. 
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| | #9 posted July 8, 2005 at 8:58am (EDT) |
I know the difficulty that comes with starting university, then stopping "for a little bit" and then trying to get back into it. Life jumps in the way, and, from what I've seen around me, once someone stopped taking classes, I would never see them again.
I'd say stick with college. If you stop, you might not get a chance to go back.
| Trash
| | #10 posted July 8, 2005 at 9:01am (EDT) |
tazfreeatlast wrote:
> One other thing to think on when you get the opinion of others.
> The age of those posting.
> The average opinion of someone in their late teens & early twenties
> will be to go for the fastest route to money. However, Kanes_Son surprised
> me with his answer.
Oh, I'm sorry. Let me correct myself
DEEYYUUURRRRRRRRR! DYURRRRR IIIAM A FUDGEIN IIIIDIOT DEEEYUUUURR
Just ignore him, his head will deflate then
| bill
  
| #11 posted July 8, 2005 at 10:04am (EDT)
edited July 8, 2005 at 10:06am (EDT) |
$22/hour is pretty darn good. That's about $44K/year. How do feel about refueling jets for a living? It sounds like you think of it as temporary (mentioning you might go back to school later). It sounds blue-collar. The other jobs you mentioned (driver, fireman) were blue collar too. But, the degree you're working toward is white collar. What do you see yourself as, blue or white?
A friend of mine got an accounting degree, in 4 years of college. He then worked as an accountant for a couple months, hated it, quit, then got into home improvement work. Eventually, he focused on tiling. He's been a tiler ever since (almost 20 years), loves it. He does great work, made a name for himself.
Money-wise white/blue collar jobs often pay about the same. Though, some white collar jobs can pay way higher, most people don't get those jobs. I guess it's mostly just the kind of work. Desk work, or something that involves some physical labor. I don't think it has much to do with how smart you are. It's more what you're into. What you do as a job is what you life is going to mostly be about. You'll put most of your time into this. This is important.
From my perspective, living in Kauai sounds like paradise. But, I didn't grow up there.
Finishing your degree now, will give you more options later. If you quit now, it will be hard to go back and finish it later. There's a good chance you wont. Life has a way of pushing you around a bit. For example, if you meet the right person, get married, have children, you'll need to be making the money and will not be able to go back to school.
I got a college degree and a good job out of college. So, I don't know what it's like to not have a degree.
I would think the people offering you the job would understand how important it is for you to finish school. Have you talked to them about it? Would they be willing to wait for you? ... you don't have to answer these questions, just throwing stuff out. | lordkaosu
| | #12 posted July 8, 2005 at 10:57am (EDT) |
I'd say finish up with school first, even if you don't use it, it's much harder to finish after to stop for a bit. I dropped out without plans of going back, although now I am going back and am having to work much harder for it then I went in the first place 
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| | #13 posted July 8, 2005 at 4:28pm (EDT) |
Regarding the blue-collar and white-collar thing.... The way it stands here, a lot of people living in Hawaii are in the position where they've gone to college and got degrees but didn't apply it to any applicable careers like bill mentioned about his tiler friend. I really don't want to find myself in this situation.
I'm at the point in my life where I'm just trying to find my niche in life. I've tossed around so many possibilities but nothing has ever stuck. Life does indeed begin to push you around and as the days go by, I'm scrambling more and more in order to ensure that I'll be financially stable. For a high school grad, $44K/year isn't too bad. It's definitely something I could see myself doing for a living in the long-term. The company's good, there's full benefits on top of that pay, and they don't seem like they'll be hitting bankruptcy anytime soon. They're one of the few major private jet companies in Hawaii so unless another one comes along that was spawned from Bill Gates, it seems like they'll be around for years to come.
A friend of mine who is a few years older than me just recently finished up their schooling over at USC which, being a private school, cost a lot more than UH. However, I'm still concerned about student loans and all that unavoidable stuff that I'd have to repay because I wouldn't be able to work full-time and go to school to support myself.
I was talking with DanielP in another thread and we got on the subject of the cost of living. I'm currently living in a 1 BD/1 BA apartment and I'm paying $890 a month. It was the cheapest I could find and I don't think I'd be able to handle living here while going to school. There's the option of on-campus housing but it still costs quite a bit on top of other living expenses that I'd have to pay. It's like student loans are an inevitable part of the picture.
I kind of jumped around in this posting with random thoughts as they came to me.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | scuba
| #14 posted July 8, 2005 at 4:41pm (EDT)
edited July 8, 2005 at 4:42pm (EDT) |
happy birthday 
I would stay in school
if you still wanted to do the job when you got out I think it would be easier than taking the job and then going back to school if you didn't like it or something
its harder to go back, at least thats what I have heard.
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| | #15 posted July 8, 2005 at 4:54pm (EDT) |
Thanks for the birthday wishes too, Eggs and scuba.
My main concern is based on whether or not I'd use the 4+ years of schooling I'd receive, on top of additional costs of loans I'd have to repay. Like I already said before, $44k/year isn't too shabby. The need for someone in the same position could open elsewhere for a bigger company and that number could easily jump to $50k/year or so.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | Chad
 
| | #16 posted July 8, 2005 at 5:16pm (EDT) |
$45,760 a year really isnt impressive enough to pull you away from college. Pre-tax, that is $880 a week. Figure like 25% for taxing, you are down to $660 a week. Call it $900 for your rent, and that is a little over $200 a week (4.33333 weeks/month) which brings you to about $460 a week. Add in car insurance, gas, food, electric, water, and that could easily be another $500 a month if you live relatively cheap, obviously more depending on how you live, but calling it $500 brings you to about $335 left a week. Thats not even factoring in the booze (I spend about $50 a week on booze now, at my height about $125, but thats because I have expensive tastes). Add in clothes, entertainment, etc, and you really wouldnt be keeping that much of your money.
From a practical standpoint, I couldnt see this making sense. If you found a comparable job in a cheap place to live (in Spokane I was able to rent a 2 bedroom apartment for $545 a month) then it might make sense, but as it is, I just dont see you getting ahead by going on this path. | SweetyPie
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| | #17 posted July 8, 2005 at 5:35pm (EDT) |
Chad wrote:
> $45,760 a year really isnt impressive enough to pull you away from college. Pre-tax,
> that is $880 a week. Figure like 25% for taxing, you are down to $660 a week. Call it
> $900 for your rent, and that is a little over $200 a week (4.33333 weeks/month) which
> brings you to about $460 a week. Add in car insurance, gas, food, electric, water, and
> that could easily be another $500 a month if you live relatively cheap, obviously more
> depending on how you live, but calling it $500 brings you to about $335 left a week.
> Thats not even factoring in the booze (I spend about $50 a week on booze now, at my height
> about $125, but thats because I have expensive tastes). Add in clothes, entertainment,
> etc, and you really wouldnt be keeping that much of your money.
>
> From a practical standpoint, I couldnt see this making sense. If you found a comparable
> job in a cheap place to live (in Spokane I was able to rent a 2 bedroom apartment for
> $545 a month) then it might make sense, but as it is, I just dont see you getting ahead
> by going on this path.
I can easily put things into perspective about my living situation.
Rent for me back on Kauai would be very inexpensive because I've already talked with a friend about rooming in a 3 BD house and it'll be about $350 each for basic living (roof over our heads, water, and electricity). I'll be doing the whole internet thing which we're all going to split too, so that'll be a little more. Gas wouldn't be too much of a problem because I'd be moped'ing to work for the most part and driving a lot less. I recently bought a car because I figured I'd need it here in the city but I may decide to sell it if I take this job. I buy clothes once a year, clean my underoos all the time, and already have a lot of clothes anyway so that wouldn't be much of a concern. I'm not too dependant on material things so I don't buy a lot of "entertainment" items like jukeboxes or 65" TVs so that's not a worry either. All I need to be happy:
 Reliable transportation to get to work
Money for food
Surfboard
Guitar
Internet
Cell phone
As long as I can make a trip to the beach at least once a week, I'd be content.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | Chad
| | #18 posted July 8, 2005 at 5:58pm (EDT) |
how long do you plan on living with 2 other guys? I mean, its fun for a little while, but not a long term sort of thing to most people. Your housing will most likely just end up being a deferred cost that will come along later down the road. | SweetyPie
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| | #19 posted July 8, 2005 at 6:03pm (EDT) |
Well it'd be one guy (a good friend of mine from high school) and a girl. It'd be me and the girl sleeping in one room and my friend in the other. I'll probably be paying 2/3 of the rent's cost to actually keep the extra bedroom for my own personal use.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | Chad
| | #20 posted July 8, 2005 at 6:34pm (EDT) |
ah, so you are picking something else up that drains a LOT of resources. | bill
| | #21 posted July 8, 2005 at 6:50pm (EDT) |
When she gets pregnant, your costs will go up.  | 311
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| | #22 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:10pm (EDT) |
Yeah dude, don't be a fool, wrap your tool. Say no to preggers. | bill
| | #23 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:17pm (EDT) |
sicko | nihon
| | #24 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:17pm (EDT) |
I recommend staying in college and finishing your degree if you can. Even if your eventual career takes you in a direction that doesn't use the degree you earned, just having that little piece of paper will open many doors that might not otherwise be open to you.
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| | #25 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:30pm (EDT) |
Hahaha....... yeah.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | nihon
| | #26 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:33pm (EDT) |
Also, your earning potential goes up significantly, which will likely make up for any "missed income" you lost by sticking with school instead of taking the job.
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| | #27 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:39pm (EDT) |
Because it's only earning potential, you MIGHT make up any "missed income".
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | bill
| | #28 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:41pm (EDT) |
follow your heart | SweetyPie
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| | #29 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:43pm (EDT) |
Yeah. Ultimately, I'm trying to decide what path would allow me to find the most happiness. That's the hard part. 
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | Felty
| | #30 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:48pm (EDT) |
$22 an hour is great money. (Around here that would be great, I don't know about a high-class state like that). Anyway, If $22 an hour is good money down there too, I would go ahead and take the job and if you decide in the future if the job is not for you, then you can return to school. If you can stay in school and graduate with a degree and make a lot more money than $22 an hour I would stay in school. How many semesters do you have left anyway?
Sigs are for jerks! | SweetyPie
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| | #31 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:52pm (EDT) |
Three years more, so six semesters total.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | Felty
| | #32 posted July 8, 2005 at 7:58pm (EDT) |
Ok. If your more than half way through stay in school, if it's less than half, just take the job. That's what I would do, but I hate school begin with. Good luck on making a decision.
Sigs are for jerks! | SweetyPie
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| | #33 posted July 8, 2005 at 8:10pm (EDT) |
I like school, but I dislike the school I'm going to. It just seems so unprofessional with the quality of the school itself. On the other hand, I don't want to leave Hawaii. This place is great and I'm afraid that if I leave, I won't be able to come back (similar to the feeling of putting school on hold for now now and not being able to finish later).
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | lordkaosu
| | #34 posted July 8, 2005 at 10:46pm (EDT) |
You could always go to Gonzaga
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| | #35 posted July 8, 2005 at 11:34pm (EDT) |
that you could! i still go over to spokane quite often, we could have crazy wild sex. | Belladonna
| | #36 posted July 9, 2005 at 6:52am (EDT) |
No brainer...........finish school! | rayzor6
 
| | #37 posted July 9, 2005 at 12:48pm (EDT) |
Stay in school...the job offer isn't that great and what if after 6 months you hate it? Or 2 years? College degrees USED TO mean guaranteed good job. Now, it is a pre-requisite to almost any job you apply for and the person WITHOUT it gets eliminated, sometimes without even an interview.
Get school out of the way and be done with it. It may not be fun, but once it is done, you got it. Jobs like that will come up again, only at that time, you will have a degree and if you quit, no big deal.
Also, you needs will 'change'. Don't count on not needing alot of money like you do when you are in college. If you take this job, you will regret it.
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| | #38 posted July 9, 2005 at 2:56pm (EDT) |
In the opinion of the high school dropout - the correct choice is to drop out of school.
Life's not going to be any easier or harder with that bullcrap college degree.
$22.00 an hour is all sorts of money to buy whatever the fudge you want. You already live in paradise, so no need to improve living conditions.
I'm always an avid fan of screwing around in life, because what the hell does it matter anyway. You'll have a good deal of free time, lots of cash, and the beauty of the islands to gaze upon.
Senseless to work for more when you've already got it all. Whenever I finally make it to Hawaii for good, I'll be stoked if I'm making $10.00 an hour. I don't need anything, just peace of mind.
Or maybe you're like Irwin over there, looking to build a ten million dollar tribute to your penis and the downfall of the dream killing women worldwide--in which case stay in college and go for the supposed big money.
 | mackey
| | #39 posted July 9, 2005 at 3:00pm (EDT) |
rayzor6 wrote:
> Stay in school...the job offer isn't that great and what if after
> 6 months you hate it? Or 2 years? College degrees USED TO mean guaranteed
> good job. Now, it is a pre-requisite to almost any job you apply
> for and the person WITHOUT it gets eliminated, sometimes without even
> an interview.
>
> Get school out of the way and be done with it. It may not be fun,
> but once it is done, you got it. Jobs like that will come up again,
> only at that time, you will have a degree and if you quit, no big
> deal.
>
> Also, you needs will 'change'. Don't count on not needing alot of
> money like you do when you are in college. If you take this job,
> you will regret it.
>
>
Fudge that man, all sorts of people make a living off of less than $10.00/hr.
People only need so much money because they can't get over being money gobbling consumerist whores. Way too much emphasis is placed on the importance of television, automobiles, and debt in general.
It's fudging America, everyone's in debt. When the time comes, he can rack up a good $20,000 in credit card debt, not answer their phone calls for the better part of a decade, and they'll settle for 5 cents on the dollar.
Jobs this, jobs that. Even drones can fly away.
| SweetyPie
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| | #40 posted July 9, 2005 at 3:07pm (EDT) |
I agree with mackey on a couple of things. Money buys you everything to NEED and then you spend the rest on things you WANT. I can get by just fine with a Toyota Camry or Honda Civic. I'm okay with watching sports on a 20" TV. Hell, I wear clothes that are bought at Walmart and Ross.
I hate regret. I have a feeling that I'll regret finishing college and realizing I can't use the degree, rather than not getting one and realizing I should have.
-The Cooler John
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